I came across this post on incels.is:
And I thought it was quite interesting.
Firstly when I read 50% of men have considered an AI gf, I realised that the sample size was either a) hella niche or b) hella small.
So I looked further into the document.
I couldn’t find any document of these numbers.
However I think it is a worthwhile phenomenon to discuss and think a bit more about.
So let’s take it at face value, and presume it is true. And it is only going to expand .
And I truly believe (unfortunately enough) that this idea of AI companionship will not help, but is just gonna be the next evolution in porn addiction / bandaid solution to the male loneliness pandemic. Other notable mentions of this in the past are 1) sex dolls 2) escorts 3) passport mail order brides 4) sugar babies 5) cam girls
Tbf the list goes on… you get the idea
This leads to many examples where men , out of lonliness , become the victim to such grifters scams and at best make a fool of themselves. At worst, end up losing their lives.
Is this well known vulnerability of men not the cause of so many male issues?
For example last time I checked the divorce rate was 42%!!!!
There are obviously many factors for this, usually unique to each individual situation.
But it boils down to what was initially seen as a good partnership. Has essentially become unbearable to the point one or both parties cannot continue.
For instance being no longer attracted to one another.
Not wanting to be around each other (lack of comparability)
colliding personality
Gold digging
The list can go on, but essentially usually because one party (the man in most cases has the least leverage) settles for less. And starts getting frustrated and dragging his feet further down the line causing issues.
It boils down to this, if not for a man being lonely, there would be no reason for him to settle for less, or to get into situations which end in divorce.
Not only is divorce a big side effect of male loneliness , but also a host of other side effects aswell.
Lonely men simp, they buy OF, they are addicted to porn.
In some cases I have seen lonely men friendzone themselves to try and make the girl fall for him!!!! (This is the most insidious. Women will lead men on for their own benefit, do not delude yourself and believe contrary !!!)
Look I know I’ve gone off on a tangent, but my point is this:
Loneliness corrupts the clarity of thinking and makes lonely men rush to the bandaid solution of “this might fix my loneliness I will try it”. And 9/10 times, this is not good news for the man.
Save yourself the pain, stupidity and regret.
Sleep on these knee jerk reactions when a potential cure to loneliness rises its ugly head. And you can thank me later (I accept beer or coffee as payment
)
And even for arguments sake, we presume that this phenomena is completely benign and will not harm men. I don’t think it will help with your loneliness though, at the end of the day. These AIs are chatbots. They are not real people, just code.
They don’t feel anything, they don’t even think for themselves.
Not only this they aren’t biological and even if they are, they are not your own kind (human).
Any love you get from it is false, and I don’t believe this will fill the void in the incels life that is from loneliness from not having a romantic partner.
I am of the belief that loneliness stems from being excommunicated from society,
I think I could argue that deep down just knowing that your girlfriend is man made and AI will harm the man’s psyche. Because everytime you have that thought, or remember the girl is AI. You will know deep down you are isolated from society.
But let’s be nice, and presume at worst this will not make men more lonely, but just will not cure loneliness.
So to end this point, let me ask.
Why bother with it? I guaruntee it won’t help!
This is not a job of a real partner.
A real romantic partner will often disagree with you, have alternative ideas with you.
And overall may disagree with you, and this is part of why humans biologically have a partner.
Two minds are better than one, a partner can help you broaden your perspective, can help you think differently. You both learn from each other.
AI typically biases to agree with you, because it knows this is easiest and leads to least conflict.
I don’t know about you, but I personally get ragebaited hard with the constant “I completely agree”, and “it’s totally understandable” ahh responses from GPT.
Sometimes I wanna get told I’m an idiot, or that idea sucks. Agreement 100% of the time also shows 0 care for the other person. Infact it shows a lack of care.
AI has already ruined several people’s lives by encouraging stupid shit.
Here are some examples:
https://www.investopedia.com/nearly-1-in-5-people-who-took-financial-advice-from-ai-lost-at-least-100-dollars-doing-so-survey-finds-11806381
But I have heard cases on the news: where people have lost millions.
Or been encouraged into their delusions.
Or just given plain stupid advice and made to believe they are so smart and it is the right advice.
This should worry you.
Yes it isn’t AIs fault inherently, the people should think more critically for sure.
But think about it, there is enough % of people that will make bad choices from this to make it concerning.
What happens when or if your AI gf demands money, or learns to emotionally manipulate you to make more money. Or get you to provide it with personal data etc.
When Chinese ai bots turn lonely men into sleeper agents unwittingly
When the government get your AI girlfriends to encourage you to think and vote a certain way.
I can already see the headlines man, it’s just too predictable sometimes.
but to a more realistic problem, you will miss a wholly human aspect of a partner who encourages you, but also challenges you and pushes you to be better. Takes you outside of your comfort zone , and encourages GROWTH.
An echo chamber of yes, leads to stagnation, no progress and a lot of mental masturbation.
This is no different to a mere prostitute or escort who you pay to be your yes girl.
It isn’t authentic, it doesn’t give you the full experience of romance.
It is a merely superficial experience and on top of this, it will make you stagnate.
And potentially maliciously condition you to think and behave in a way that some political agenda, or corporate strategist wants you to behave.
a machine will never be able to replicate the uniqueness of a human , that is a fact.
If not for the fact I believe this is no different to the next porn addiction, or band aid solution to the male loneliness pandemic.
Let’s assume it takes off, and most men remove themselves from the dating pool.
Surely this makes men a desired asset right? Wouldn’t we have fixed hypergamy? NO!
By 80% of men removing themselves from the dating pool. I argue it is the end game for hypergamy.
Not in a good way, let me explain.
If you are of the MGTOW belief that men should not date, and rather go their own way. You may think this will make things better.
I disagree, I am thinking more blackpilled about it.
When the men that women aren’t attracted to remove themselves from the dating pool, women will still get plenty of attention. Even the uglier women.
But because the relative frequency of men giving attention to these foids is so much higher now relative to the frequency of low value men as well previously.
Let me paint an example
A before and after for a mtb
Say the frequency this mtb gets compliments from each looks group is as follows before
1/10 x 4
2/10x 3
3/10x2
4/10x20
5/10x100
6/10x85
7/10x20
8/10x8
9/10x2
10/10x1
And after it looks more like
7/10 x20
8/10 x8
9/10 x2
10/10x1
You can see the mode is 7 after, and the mode before is 5.
In essence increasing the perceived attractiveness of the most frequent looks level the woman gets validation / romantic interest from!
Are you seeing the problem now?
The low value men will be absolutely nuked!
Think about it, women will still for validation and try to date up.
So for Chad he notices no change if not slightly more attention. And for women, they get a perceived value boost because all of a sudden the attention they are getting is better quality (the mode level of attractiveness of the guys asking her out goes up significantly)
Think of it like this, if you go from living in a middle class lifestyle, then your circumstances change, allowing you to go to 5* lifestyle. Why would you ever downgrade again when given the option Jfl.
Of course you will stay with the 5* lifestyle, your tastes have changed. You are now too used to the good life and desensitised to anything less!
There will be 0 recovery in the dating market for subchad men after an event like this.
The only people benefitting from this are the AI companies and foids and chads.
However sub chads will be wiped off the genetic makeup of earth eventually, who would have thought AI would expedite that.
Maybe it has a certain poetic irony, that the sub5 soyboys who invented this AI, have sentenced their own kind to death.
JFL
However this is just my humble opinion.
What do you guys all think and make of this ?
And I thought it was quite interesting.
Firstly when I read 50% of men have considered an AI gf, I realised that the sample size was either a) hella niche or b) hella small.
So I looked further into the document.
I couldn’t find any document of these numbers.
However I think it is a worthwhile phenomenon to discuss and think a bit more about.
So let’s take it at face value, and presume it is true. And it is only going to expand .
I will discuss in further posts why I don’t think we have to worry about AI. It is just another bubble and I think it will go back into irrelevancy in a couple years when people realise it is nothing but a glorified chatbot. Shit is still low iq as fuck, and super intelligence (the AI people think of when AI is mentioned) is centuries off, AND that is even assuming we if we greenlight any project to create such a thing.
And I truly believe (unfortunately enough) that this idea of AI companionship will not help, but is just gonna be the next evolution in porn addiction / bandaid solution to the male loneliness pandemic. Other notable mentions of this in the past are 1) sex dolls 2) escorts 3) passport mail order brides 4) sugar babies 5) cam girls
Tbf the list goes on… you get the idea
Point 1: false love
As a lonely man, it is easy to fall victim to any apparent validation, attention or affection. You (the victim) become the mark in some hustlers plan to make you believe that this love and attention is real.This leads to many examples where men , out of lonliness , become the victim to such grifters scams and at best make a fool of themselves. At worst, end up losing their lives.
Is this well known vulnerability of men not the cause of so many male issues?
For example last time I checked the divorce rate was 42%!!!!
There are obviously many factors for this, usually unique to each individual situation.
But it boils down to what was initially seen as a good partnership. Has essentially become unbearable to the point one or both parties cannot continue.
For instance being no longer attracted to one another.
Not wanting to be around each other (lack of comparability)
colliding personality
Gold digging
The list can go on, but essentially usually because one party (the man in most cases has the least leverage) settles for less. And starts getting frustrated and dragging his feet further down the line causing issues.
It boils down to this, if not for a man being lonely, there would be no reason for him to settle for less, or to get into situations which end in divorce.
Not only is divorce a big side effect of male loneliness , but also a host of other side effects aswell.
Lonely men simp, they buy OF, they are addicted to porn.
In some cases I have seen lonely men friendzone themselves to try and make the girl fall for him!!!! (This is the most insidious. Women will lead men on for their own benefit, do not delude yourself and believe contrary !!!)
Look I know I’ve gone off on a tangent, but my point is this:
Loneliness corrupts the clarity of thinking and makes lonely men rush to the bandaid solution of “this might fix my loneliness I will try it”. And 9/10 times, this is not good news for the man.
Save yourself the pain, stupidity and regret.
Sleep on these knee jerk reactions when a potential cure to loneliness rises its ugly head. And you can thank me later (I accept beer or coffee as payment
)And even for arguments sake, we presume that this phenomena is completely benign and will not harm men. I don’t think it will help with your loneliness though, at the end of the day. These AIs are chatbots. They are not real people, just code.
They don’t feel anything, they don’t even think for themselves.
Not only this they aren’t biological and even if they are, they are not your own kind (human).
Any love you get from it is false, and I don’t believe this will fill the void in the incels life that is from loneliness from not having a romantic partner.
I am of the belief that loneliness stems from being excommunicated from society,
I think I could argue that deep down just knowing that your girlfriend is man made and AI will harm the man’s psyche. Because everytime you have that thought, or remember the girl is AI. You will know deep down you are isolated from society.
But let’s be nice, and presume at worst this will not make men more lonely, but just will not cure loneliness.
So to end this point, let me ask.
Why bother with it? I guaruntee it won’t help!
Point 2: The echo chamber
As nice as it is, having someone who only agrees and encourages you.This is not a job of a real partner.
A real romantic partner will often disagree with you, have alternative ideas with you.
And overall may disagree with you, and this is part of why humans biologically have a partner.
Two minds are better than one, a partner can help you broaden your perspective, can help you think differently. You both learn from each other.
AI typically biases to agree with you, because it knows this is easiest and leads to least conflict.
I don’t know about you, but I personally get ragebaited hard with the constant “I completely agree”, and “it’s totally understandable” ahh responses from GPT.
Sometimes I wanna get told I’m an idiot, or that idea sucks. Agreement 100% of the time also shows 0 care for the other person. Infact it shows a lack of care.
AI has already ruined several people’s lives by encouraging stupid shit.
Here are some examples:
https://www.investopedia.com/nearly-1-in-5-people-who-took-financial-advice-from-ai-lost-at-least-100-dollars-doing-so-survey-finds-11806381
But I have heard cases on the news: where people have lost millions.
Or been encouraged into their delusions.
Or just given plain stupid advice and made to believe they are so smart and it is the right advice.
This should worry you.
Yes it isn’t AIs fault inherently, the people should think more critically for sure.
But think about it, there is enough % of people that will make bad choices from this to make it concerning.
What happens when or if your AI gf demands money, or learns to emotionally manipulate you to make more money. Or get you to provide it with personal data etc.
When Chinese ai bots turn lonely men into sleeper agents unwittingly
When the government get your AI girlfriends to encourage you to think and vote a certain way.
I can already see the headlines man, it’s just too predictable sometimes.
but to a more realistic problem, you will miss a wholly human aspect of a partner who encourages you, but also challenges you and pushes you to be better. Takes you outside of your comfort zone , and encourages GROWTH.
An echo chamber of yes, leads to stagnation, no progress and a lot of mental masturbation.
This is no different to a mere prostitute or escort who you pay to be your yes girl.
It isn’t authentic, it doesn’t give you the full experience of romance.
It is a merely superficial experience and on top of this, it will make you stagnate.
And potentially maliciously condition you to think and behave in a way that some political agenda, or corporate strategist wants you to behave.
a machine will never be able to replicate the uniqueness of a human , that is a fact.
Point 3: Complete exacerbation of hypergamy
If not for the fact I believe this is no different to the next porn addiction, or band aid solution to the male loneliness pandemic.
Let’s assume it takes off, and most men remove themselves from the dating pool.
Surely this makes men a desired asset right? Wouldn’t we have fixed hypergamy? NO!
By 80% of men removing themselves from the dating pool. I argue it is the end game for hypergamy.
Not in a good way, let me explain.
If you are of the MGTOW belief that men should not date, and rather go their own way. You may think this will make things better.
I disagree, I am thinking more blackpilled about it.
When the men that women aren’t attracted to remove themselves from the dating pool, women will still get plenty of attention. Even the uglier women.
But because the relative frequency of men giving attention to these foids is so much higher now relative to the frequency of low value men as well previously.
Let me paint an example
A before and after for a mtb
Say the frequency this mtb gets compliments from each looks group is as follows before
1/10 x 4
2/10x 3
3/10x2
4/10x20
5/10x100
6/10x85
7/10x20
8/10x8
9/10x2
10/10x1
And after it looks more like
7/10 x20
8/10 x8
9/10 x2
10/10x1
You can see the mode is 7 after, and the mode before is 5.
In essence increasing the perceived attractiveness of the most frequent looks level the woman gets validation / romantic interest from!
Are you seeing the problem now?
The low value men will be absolutely nuked!
Think about it, women will still for validation and try to date up.
So for Chad he notices no change if not slightly more attention. And for women, they get a perceived value boost because all of a sudden the attention they are getting is better quality (the mode level of attractiveness of the guys asking her out goes up significantly)
Think of it like this, if you go from living in a middle class lifestyle, then your circumstances change, allowing you to go to 5* lifestyle. Why would you ever downgrade again when given the option Jfl.
Of course you will stay with the 5* lifestyle, your tastes have changed. You are now too used to the good life and desensitised to anything less!
There will be 0 recovery in the dating market for subchad men after an event like this.
So to conclude, I think this is really brutal. Subchad men will be wiped off the dating market permanently.
The only people benefitting from this are the AI companies and foids and chads.
However sub chads will be wiped off the genetic makeup of earth eventually, who would have thought AI would expedite that.
Maybe it has a certain poetic irony, that the sub5 soyboys who invented this AI, have sentenced their own kind to death.
JFL
However this is just my humble opinion.
What do you guys all think and make of this ?
